Stock Theft by Senior Member, WELL FUCK YOU!.

WELL FUCK OFF to you as well... DA's official answer on the entire matter.... Copyright cannot be applied to a pose...
So I have no grounds to apply for a DMCA...
DA staff will not read and compare the stock images to the final pieces.. so I can't submit a complaint of any other kind to DA....
And for all their best intentions the community staff members don't have the power do do any of the above...

I feel like DA just took a steaming SHIT all over the point of even doing stock... I have a picture.. the image IS a near perfect match... What the FUCK is the point....?

When my prime example is this..Where the hell does DA stand ... ^. 
Be aware this is NOT the artist but another Deviant who commissioned then.. they are not involved in this so there is little point spamming them with "stolen or other messages", they have also expressed their dissapointment at the whole situation.
Thanks for the thought though.

Balls an anonymity. 
The offending DA member is katy-l-wood.deviantart.com/



A perfect example of them over laid  by Vivern-of-Nosgoth  (Thanks).
                                



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*Update*.. I have finally gotten a reply from DA's staff, their answer.. DMCA request..so I am no further forward than when this all started a month + ago.....
The BITCH has thus partially won.. I can ONLY submit a DMCA to the two deviations I have links to, the rest DA are incapable of actual human interaction so I will never be able to get them removed/the theft acknowledged...
The two DMCA may work but the rest she has gotten away with...
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OK so an update, I want to first say thank you for all the support from all my watchers and advice from some more senior members with the whole situation.
After which I decided to make a formal complaint on DA about the situation.... and WTF!...

After explaining my situation with links and an overview of the conversations had I was given a copy and paste answer with things like
"please try and resolve this with the user in question before contacting us" or "Point out to them DA's copyright and usage policy" .. with links and everything.
And lastly to submit a DMCA take down on the work in question.. What the actual not reading what I wrote at all.. how can I submit a DMCA to an image that has been put into storage..

Now don't get me wrong I KNOW they have to deal with everything as quickly as possible so some times it may be applicable but they did not even READ THE ISSUE!.. 
What's the point... I am more annoyed now with no progress than I am with being ignored completely and utterly by DA's staff.... ..

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I may rant slightly in this one. so you are warned.

So not long after EveLivesey posted her rant and recent experience with image theft/crediting issues.

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And CD-STOCK has been just as vocal and clear with
Dear PhotomanipulatorsThis message is addressed to all photomanipulators on DeviantArt.
We, Stock Providers
are fed up with everyone who do not respect our rules.


We are sick and tired of photomanipulators
who do not credit us under their artwork nor notify of our stock use.



When we politely ask you for credit please do not be abusive
- it's immature and unpleasant and after all we ARE entitled to ask.


By DA Rules if we ask for credit in return for free use of our work
(stock photo, texture, png/cutout, premade background etc.)
then you must do it or we are entitled to ask for your art to be taken down.
This also applied to Premiums

I to share the weekly awkwardness of most stock providers in having to remind people to credit and follow the rules, of which 99% apologise and promptly do so, even if some may need advice on how the tagging DEV and ICON systems work...
And it's been a very long time I was thinking since I have ever gotten a major head ache reply....

Until a few days go.. I found a commission piece on a users page and followed it back to the artist.. low and behold they had several pictures I was very sure were referenced from my stock and a few more that were questionable.. so I put the usual polite request in a note that if the following or any others had used my stock please credit as per my rules (I was leaving the commission use and my rules regarding that out of it until first contact was established)..I even linked to all stock/uses I found.

The reply was a resounding denial from the user that they had in any way referenced my stock and that they had used their own, which was offered up as proof.
What was sent were in my opinion hilarious attempts to match the poses and somehow back up the denial.

Then came the outright stupid part...
The images provided have meta data.. from the users phone with all the appropriate ISO/focal settings and dates taken... the day they offered to give their references.
From my experience the device will give accurate information even if the images are moved and saves.. even edited in Photoshop in most cases.. as is with some of my recent boots stock having "taken" dates in Jan when they were taken.

Secondly the references were the wrong perspective and lens distortion made them different to the resulting art work..

The thief then started down the usual road that "your poses are to generic to prove anything".. and
"I have provided my reference images and if that is not enough for you then be it"..

At about this point I started to look into overlaying my stock images over the suspect art work to prove my point.. only to find they had been put into storage along with large sections of the users gallery under the pretense that they were moving away from DA, even though I subsequently made my point that I would like to compare stock to art they have not offered any cooperation in this matter...

My subsequent reply detailed that some of the poses an stock in question were very unique and contained several people (some of my work with Tasastock which is much more singular than things like my archery and gun stock (that I admit is a common theme for stock)
I sent an overlaid image with I will not share here as I do not want to post another users work and it was the art work commissioned and posted by another user so I do not want to drag an honest person into this fray....

The scum then replied with things like  "I will credit but I will not admit to the use of your stock". Fucking useless.

The overlay of my stock on their art was a near perfect match.. poses. positions and scale of fingers and toes, intersection of limbs across the body.. perspective and right down to the outlines of one models face....

I have yet to receive a reply.. I very much doubt that I will receive one now as even a fellow artist has viewed the overlay an is as absolute in their opinion as am I that my stock was used....

BUT what makes it worse.. what makes it really really FUCKING god damn hurt is not only is this user denying clear use of my stock and refusing to admit to the use, On top of that they are using my stock for commissions.. something I have a whole set of rules for.. No.. not that.. I can get over that..

What has thrown me into such a Fucked OFF rage..  Is they are a Senior Member.. I hold that in some high regard and perhaps I will be one some day.. but it feels more personal than some fleeting user of DA..
She should know better!!!.


So I feel the need to re state my position..

If you Use My Stock.. you WILL credit me as outlined in my rules.

If you want to use my stock for commercial/financial gain... I do charge a fee or at least need to be asked first.

But most of all.. and more importantly.. ALL my rules apply to ALL my stock images..


In light of thus UTTER bullshit I will be opening a favourites folder for images that have used my stock and need some amendments made, I WANT to name and link to the images in question but there is nothing to be gained with this individual thief as they have no regard for stock providers or their rules. FUCK IT.

Rant over.